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Posted on May 7th, 2009 in Sports & Leisure, Upon Further Review

Five in Five, No. 4: Just how many national championships does Alabama really have?

By Matt Hooper

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How many national titles can Alabama really lay claim to? Better yet, why is there more than one answer?

How many national titles can Alabama really lay claim to? Better yet, why is there more than one answer?

Is it 17, 12, 7 or none?

The question of how many national championships the University of Alabama football team has won over its 117-year history, as cut-and-dry as it may seem, has baffled fans and experts alike for generations. The debate has undoubtedly sparked innumerable bar fights and other domestic disturbances over the past several decades.

Before I attempt an answer – and I must say that now I’m sailing into dangerous waters with this column – we must examine why such a simple query is turning up so many different results.

First, realize that the NCAA is a voluntary organization that oversees and regulates collegiate athletics at nearly every college and university in the nation. For all the minutiae that the organization handles day-to-day, one thing the NCAA does not do is crown its own Division 1-A football champions – in other words, there’s no NCAA-sponsored postseason tournament or playoff. Instead, they allow independent bodies to carry out that task.

Second, those independent bodies – recognized by the NCAA as “major selectors” – choose their champion at the end of a season based either on poll data, mathematical formulas or other research results. Currently, there are 17 such selectors:

Anderson & Hester, Associated Press, Berryman, Billingsley Report, Congrove Computer Rankings, Colley Matrix, Dunkel System, Football Writers Association of America, Massey College Football Ratings, Matthews Grid Ratings, National Football Foundation, Rothman, Sagarin Ratings, Sporting News, USA Today, Wolfe and, of course, the Bowl Championship Series.

In the past, 22 additional selectors have chosen champions dating back to 1869 but, for some reason or another, are not currently in operation:

Alderson System, Boand System, Casper Whitney, College Football Researchers Association, DeVold System, Dickinson System, Eck Ratings System, Football News, Helms Athletic Foundation, Houlgate System, International News Service, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation, New York Times, Parke Davis, Poling System, United Press International, UPI/National Football Foundation, USA Today/CNN, USA Today/ESPN, USA Today/National Football Foundation and Williamson System.

This means that at any given time, anywhere from 10 to 15 or more entities were crowning champions each year. As a consequence, it was rare for all of the selectors to unanimously choose a champion in a particular year. How rare? From 1900 through 2006, only 14 teams won unanimous titles.

To make matters even more confusing, some of the selectors awarded their national championship to teams prior to the postseason bowl games. Others, such as Parke Davis, awarded national championships retroactively in 1933 to teams that played between 1869 and 1932, based on historical research.

So, with that in mind, let’s comb the NCAA archives to determine how many times selectors have chosen Alabama as a national champion (Note: some of the selectors listed by the official NCAA records (below) are not “major selectors”. We’ll sort that out later):

1992: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, Eck, FACT, FB News, Football Research, FW, Matthews, National Championship Foundation, NY Times, Sporting News, UPI/NFF, USA/CNN (Note: Florida St. was crowned by one selector)

1979: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, FACT, FB News, FW, Helms, Matthews, National Championship Foundation, NFF, NY Times, Poling, Sagarin, Sporting News, UPI (Note: USC was crowned by one selector)

1978: AP, FACT, Football Research, FW, Helms, National Championship Foundation, NFF (Note: Oklahoma was crowned by nine selectors, USC by seven)

1977: Football Research (Note: Arkansas was crowned by one selector, Notre Dame by 16 and Texas by two)

1975: Matthews (Note: Arizona State was crowned by two selectors, Ohio State by five and Oklahoma by 13)

1973: Berryman, UPI
(Note: Michigan was chosen by two selectors, Notre Dame by six, Ohio State by three and Oklahoma by five)

1966: Berryman (Note: Michigan State was chosen by four selectors, Notre Dame by 14)

1965: AP, Billingsley, Football Research, FW, National Championship Foundation
(Note: Michigan State was crowned by 11 selectors)

1964: AP, Berryman, Litkenhous, UPI
(Note: Arkansas was chosen by six selectors, Michigan by one)

1962: Billingsley (Note: LSU and Mississippi were chosen by one selector each, USC by 14)

1961: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, FB News, Football Research, Helms, Litkenhous, National Championship Foundation, NFF, Sagarin, UPI, Williamson (Note: Ohio State was chosen by two selectors)

1945: National Championship Foundation
(Note: Army was crowned by 14 selectors)

1941: Houlgate (Note: Minnesota was chosen by 10 selectors, Texas by two)

1934: Dunkel, Houlgate, Poling, Williamson
(Note: Minnesota was chosen by seven selectors)

1930: Football Research, Parke Davis
(Note: Notre Dame was chosen by nine selectors)

1926: Billingsley, Football Research, Helms, National Championship Foundation, Poling
(Note: Lafayette was chosen by one selector, Navy by two and Stanford by three)

1925: Billingsley, Boand, Football Research, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation, Poling (Note: Dartmouth was chosen by two selectors)

That makes 17 national championships officially credited to Alabama by NCAA-approved selectors. Most hardcore Alabama fans will stop reading right here.

Should you wish to begin eliminating titles, start with the 1977 crown awarded by Football Research, which is not recognized as a “major selector.” The 1977 Tide finished the season 11-1 with an SEC title, but Notre Dame (who also finished 11-1) beat the No. 1 ranked team in the nation (Texas) in the Cotton Bowl.

So now, Alabama has 16 factually legitimate national championships from major selectors. But we can still whittle the total down.

Be it known that the University of Alabama itself only recognizes 12 official national championships: 1925, 1926, 1930, 1934, 1941, 1961, 1964, 1965, 1973, 1978, 1979 and 1992.

That leaves out the 1966 team (which finished 11-0 and was selected by Berryman), the 1945 team (10-0 and co-selected with Army by National Championship Foundation), the 1962 team (10-1 and selected by Billingsley), the 1975 team (11-1 and co-selected with Ohio State by Matthews) and the aforementioned 1977 team.

Of the “Other Five”, as the University refers to them, only the 1966 team is seriously considered a top contender to be the Tide’s 13th national champion.

Of course, the 12 official championships are not without controversy, either. The 1978 team finished in a three-way tie at 11-1 with USC and Oklahoma. Somehow, all three teams won their bowl games, but none of the bowls pitted any of the three teams against each other.

The 1973 Tide lost to Notre Dame in the Sugar Bowl, yet somehow ended up splitting the title with the Irish anyway.

The 1965 team finished the season with a 9-1-1 record, capturing many selectors by default after No. 1 Michigan State, No. 2 Arkansas and No. 3 Nebraska all lost in postseason action. Alabama, ranked No. 4 at the time, upset Nebraska in the Orange Bowl.

The 1964 team claimed four selectors after posting a 10-1-0 record. However, Arkansas was also crowned by four major selectors and finished the year undefeated. The Tide lost to Texas in their bowl game that season after many of the selectors had awarded their trophies prior to postseason play.

And in 1941 Alabama finished 9-2 under Frank Thomas, but somehow claimed a major selector’s title despite Minnesota’s 8-0 final record.

If those five iffy national championships are taken away from the bottom line, that leaves Alabama with seven titles. Seven is the number recognized by many major national media outlets, including ESPN.

Of course, there are a few radicals out there who claim that the NCAA system is so fraught with inaccuracy and inconsistency that none of the championships, especially those awarded prior to the BCS era in 1998, can be considered legitimate. That would leave Alabama, one of the most historically significant sports programs in our nation’s history, without a national championship to its credit.

Now, I won’t go so far as to stand behind that theory. But this idea of the NCAA acting as a failed state is intriguing when answering a question as loaded as “How many titles does Alabama legitimately hold?”

Fans scoff at the idea of Bama’s 17 national championships, arguing that many of them were awarded arbitrarily. Modern-day fans laugh aloud when told that lowly Princeton, not Alabama or Notre Dame, actually holds the record for most football national championships (28 from major selectors). But if we hold the old way of doing things in such low regard – non-NCAA entities arbitrarily awarding championships to teams based on factors that have little to do with what happens on the field of play – what are we to make of the current BCS system?

In 50 years, will we look back and wonder why that Boise State team in 2006 wasn’t awarded a national championship? What about Utah in 2008? What about Auburn in 2004? Are we not still using archaic and arbitrary means to decide our major college football champions?

So to answer the question: Alabama has 17 national championships. Princeton has 28. Auburn has four. As long this sport is governed by a subjective championship system, its fans have a right to be equally subjective.

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  • td37_bama1
    I feel the same way about the claims to the national titles. No matter what era the champions were chosen or what method they used to select them ,all the universities were subject to the rules that governed them respectively. No university called themselves champions unless they had been selected by an independent third party group of selectors. The university or universities that were chosen didn't have to be the unanimous pick to be deemed the national champions. For what ever reasons some universities including the University of Alabama did not recognize every championship that was awarded them. Auburn has been awarded the title four times but Auburn only recognize one the 1957 championship. On the other side of the coin ,Alabama has been recogonized as the champions seventeen times and they choose only to recognize thirteen.The SEC, AP, UPI,NCAA,USA,ESPN,Ect.,Ect. were all formed at various times and they also have there on methods as to how many titles they recognize and how many years they may choose to go back for each university that has recieved votes from one or more of the groups of selectors as champions. Princeton has 28 titles that date back to a period before Alabama and Auburn even played their firsT Game.As an Alabama fan it irratates me have this argument with the Auburn fans about the number of titles Alabama has.These facts have been recorded with a number of different groups that record this type of information.I personally do not deny Auburn their championships and its not the Bama fans that are saying that Auburn only has one championship. We say it because Auburn only recognizes just the one.Alabama on the otherhand recognizes thirteen and the thirteen they have chosen to recognize have been awarded by one or more of the governing bodies that have the power to select and name a national champion with the rules of such being applied to all other competiters. Alabama fans will always be quick to point out their teams national titles. We as fans are proud of our teams accomplishments. After all that why they play the game.Bragging RightsJust as Auburns fans are Quick to point out their teams victories over Alabama. My point is you don,t see Alabama fans denying the fact that we lost six in a row to Auburn! We surely don't like it! but it doesn't change the facts that it really happened. If you get my drift. 14 wins 1 heisman and our 13th National Championship! It's Great to be a BAMA Fan ROLL TIDE!!!!
  • td37_bama1
    I totally agree there should be some way to play this thing off! Boise has a great team! but didn't get the opportunity to play. I think all conferences should have to play for their respective championships. Until they do teams like Boise will get over looked! I Also think that teams like them will have to strengthen their schedules.But until we have that type of playoff we will continue to agrue these points.
  • sirdana2
    I think any school has the right to claim a National Championship if any of the selectors have chosen them. After all they were picked by that selector, and who says the selectors have to agree. What makes the AP (or any other seletion method) better than one of the others? Human emotion has to much of an impact to allow any poll to always be accurate. As long as there is not a playoff system, multiple "number one" picks is a possibility. If entities such as ESPN (for example) choose to ignore the selections of some of the selectors then the Nation Champion list becomes ESPN's list, or in other words, just another opinion. No selector is correct every year but that is no reason to deny a schools students of the knowlege and pride of that selectors decision. Whether done at the time or post selected who cares? After all, if the NCAA doesn't care enough to create a playoff for a National Championships then what does it matter if you have several top picks from several selectors? Nothing can take away from the fact that according to that particular selector based on it's particular critiria the team it selected is the National Champion. Just leave it at that.
  • williamscott
    @ehpffthehe, well put. Nope can't argue a 13-0-0! See exactly what I'm saying! How can you argue a Boise State team 14-0-0!? Not saying they could beat Bama but there is still more than one undefeated! The point is, the BCS stinks! All about how many millions they can grab! Never mind the mess they create!
  • williamscott
    Nice to see *BOTH* schools feeding on each others arrogance and ignorance. WOW!! Till we have a play-off system in place I don't care who is crowned the National Champion, you'll always have a *BUT* involved.

    Boise State has an argument for this year as Utah did last year.
    You can say Utah or Boise State doesn't play anyone on their schedule or what ever, but you can say the same for the lower end of the SEC. (don't get me wrong I'm an SEC fan, but as you know we have teams that just couldn't play with other big schools in the country...talking right now.)

    Utah played to the level of a undefeated team and could have beaten anyone as they did Alabama last year. What if the pros went on strength of schedule? Hmm..don't think the Saints would be in the play-offs of have a chance to win the Super Bowl.

    Get the $$$ out of the hands the the greedy people and let the colleges decide it on the field, then and ONLY then we will be able to say, "We have crowned a National Champion!"

    Good article Mr. Hooper. Too bad the intelligence didn't follow below.
  • td37_bama1
    Can any of you barners argue my points? Is this all you have? Surely you can do better? Suck weak rebuttals! My spelling, my mother of all things. Talk about being obnoxious and a embarassment! Now that's something you barnturds have the corner on! You are definitely number "ONE" in that category I couldn't even begin to tell you why I can't stand auburn. I don't have to,just read your dumb ass posts.We have to post this kind of stuff for you barnturds to respond to.Hell you surely can't talk about football now can you! If you can then let's get back on the topic of NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS!!.... Take that you filthy anmials...hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
  • drewdavis1973
    Roll Tide! 'nough said...
  • ehpffthehe
    I could care less how many rings/trophies/plaques/awards any team has. The opposition in ANY arena can be a little bit intolerable. I give credit to all the players and teams for getting out there and playing and putting on a good performance for US spectators. Interesting article though. I think it says more about champ selection process than the teams. What really matters is what happens out there on the field. That being said, U of A just had a perfect season. 13-0-0! Wooo Hoooo! Can't argue with that!! Roll Bama!
  • td37bama1isamoron
    td37bama1 is why I choose NOT to root for Alabama.... It is funny because out of 5 die hard Alabama fans who were among the football fans watching the championship game tonight where I was.... All 5 called td37bama1 a moron and an embarrassment to all football fans... What I said was... td37bama1 is the load his/her mother should have swallowed!
  • td37_bama1
    I bet Your a girl to! you choose not to root for Alabama! Are you a Razorback? Pigs root! Guys do not say we root! That's funny! LAMO :)
  • wareagle1234
    The person above me is why nobody likes Alabama football fans and another reason I hate alabama football.. You are literally ranked as the most obnoxious, closet fan base in college football, and your "OH MIGHTY SABAN" blamed the fans (among other people) for losing a bowl game against utah.. really? blaming the fans? pathetic.. just like you
  • td37_bama1
    tin2270 The comment aboout your lousy pathetic life. I didn't enlighten you to that fact. You so readily admitted to it in you comments to me. I was just making an educated guess. Sorry if it hit a sore spot. ROLL TIDE
  • tin2270
    Oh yes, you certainly hit the spot with the 'lousy pathetic life'. Thanks again for enlightening all of us. Who knew that a little comment from some random girl could get your panties in such a wad. Now, get off this computer and go visit that daggum nashunal trophee your team just won that's currently displayed at your local walmart.
  • td37_bama1
    OK it's a deal Tin! You want to go with me? I know that you haven't ever had the chance to see a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP TROPHY in person. ROLL TIDE ROLL!

    PS> I knew you were a girl,that was a given. As for my panties little girl...I don't wear any!
  • td37_bama1
    And tin2270 don't bother to post a comment to let me know that I misspelled has (hsa). I put that in there just for you buddy. Just in case you didn't know has is a form of the word to HAVE.Has is known as a helping verb. It's a conjugation of the verb pertinent to only the third person singular. It is present tense of the verb examples; They have actually won Twelve National Championships. They have 98 First Team All Americans. They have Played in 57 bowl appearances more than any other School. They have 31 Bowl Victories. They have 22 SEC championships. They have won an SEC
    championship in every decade since the inception of the SEC in 1934. They have 1 Heisman Trophy Winner... Oh Yeah, I hope you have an Auburn Victory on NEW YEARS DAY.... SIKE!... ROLL TIDE!
  • td37_bama1
    So tin 2270 you can actually spell. As I recall, we weren't discussing your academic prowess or where you chose to continue your studies or the fine art of my grammar.I believe we we on the subject of the number of national championships Alabama has in football,You know the ones that all you Auburn fans dismiss so readily as well as many other things that you Auburn graduates and or fans disregard. As for my grammar,you read and understood what I meant didn't you? It was meant to be utterly obnoxious rambling rhetoric! My reason for it was to prove a point and you did that quite nicely for me. See your no different than the other Auburn fans. You try to pretend like you are that it's the edcuation that it's all about. When you faced with the undenyable facts in terms that you can understand about the differences between Alabama and Auburn football the most that you could come up with was to point out that my spelling wasn't quite up to par. That all that I knew and studied was football and that I didn't have a clue that The University of Alabama was a place of higher learning. You flaunt your edcuation like a banner telling everyone how much better and smarter you think you are because you chose Auburn and that you can call Auburn your Alma mater and that you support Auburn with your money. Tell me tin2270 what about all the other fans that pull for Auburn that didn't attend or finish or have the money to support the university? Do you discount them as well? Do you look down your pompous nose at them to. Does it somehow make you feel bigger than everyone to hold your edcuation over their head. Your atypical. That's what we Alabama fans and graduates have come to expect from the Auburn fans and graduates for crying out loud! After all we were talking about football were we not? At Alabama we can't spell. At Alabama we don't have 12 national championships. At Alabama we dont know that the university that we choose to go or pull for as a fan is for education and people that pull for the school of their choice aren't really fans or have value unless they have a sheep skin and give their money to support their beloved university. See you talk more about Alabama and their fans and what you say we don't have than you talk about your own school and it's fine accomplishments. I don't think that I understated that to the Auburn Nation. Do you? Since you raised the question about my Alma The University of Alabama here are a few notable facts for your reading pleasure. The instructional school, programs and degrees available at Alabama are Arts and Sciences, Commerse and Business Administration, Communication and Information Sciences, Community Health Sciences, Continuing Studies, Edcuation, Nursing, Law and Social Work. Ua offers 80 undergraduate degree programs, 69 master programs, 6 edcuational specialist programs, 57 doctoral programs and 1 law program. In 2008-2009 UA awarded 3,713 bachelor degrees, 1,265 master degrees, 52 edcuational specialist degrees, 192 doctoral degrees and 172 first-professional degrees.In the Fall 2008 UA's enrollment totaled 27,052 of which 5,116 first time freshmen enrolled with an average ACT score of 24.3. 84.3% returned for their sophomore year and the current 6 year graduation rate is 64.5%.UA is ranked in the top 50 public universities in the nation. They ranked 12th in the nation among public universities in the enrollment of national merit scholars. Forbes magazine ranks UA 7th among public universities and U.S. and world News report on Americia's best college edcuation says that UA had the higest ranking of any university in the state of Alabama. UA ranked 29th among public undergraduate business schools. UA ranked 11th among public law schools and 32nd among all law schools. UA's College of Communication is ranked 7th among public universities. UA's Information Sciences doctoral program is ranked 7th nationally. Thirtyone university students have been elected to the all-USA college academic team a figure that tops all other universities.Even Harvard. UA hsa a total of 15 Rhodes Scholars, 26 Goldwater Scholars, 11 truman Scholars 13 Hollings Scholars, 2 Javils Fellows Scholars, 1 Udall Scholar and 1 Portz Scholar. The US News ranking of the best public colleges ranks UA 37th, AU 45th. I know that there isnt much difference here but UA again is ranked higher than AU. So I think that you need to rethink your position here and in the mean time takeup writing and punctuation. Here is one final thought for you tin2270. Maybe your the one that needs to realize that Auburn is more that just a School of higher learning, they also participate in sports and play football in the SEC and compete on a national level where records are kept for all who follow the sport of football and can compare their record of accomplishments against each other and rank who is the best in the nation or all time. Afterall we were discussing football were we not? ROLL TIDE!
  • tin2270
    Good grief! The above post is so utterly obnoxious, but so expected. After reading that rambling rhetoric, it is sad to discover you can't even spell can you? All Bama is to you is a football team, not a school. Maybe you should spend more time learning grammar, and less time watching football. But what do I know, I am a barner with a lousy, pathetic life right? Thanks to another enlightened Bama fan to let me know of my meaningless existence because I chose to go to Auburn and support my alma mater. You can google alma mater if you need to, I suspect you don't have one.
  • kennethau
    i think a prompt "owned" should follow your post
  • td37bama1
    Hey aubies it doesnt really matter to us BAMMERS! you can count them as you wish but it doesnt change anything. In the end as always your gonna have to live with the truth as it really is. Bama is better than you. They have been and always will be!!!!! LMAO at auburn, a second rate red headed step child with penis envy,once a loser always a loser. So take your little winey a$$ home and cry to your all your small minded little snotty nosed winey a$$ed wimpy ,crybaby, BAMA wannabe cow college barners!! Your all just pitful!!!! BAMA has more national titles more conferance titles more bowl appearances than auburn, Historical information backs up these claims and is kept for a reason numbnut! So just because you cant match up in anyway form or fashion with Bama or any other elete football program in the country for that matter,it doesnt erase the cold hard facts. So you see auburn A.K.A the sevenup (NEVER HAD IT NEVER WILL) tigers!! When will you weak narrow minded fools ever learn!!It doesnt make you better than ALABAMA by trying to erase,sully,or diminish BAMA'S Achievements. This is why you barners will always be the other university ,the lesser of, the redheaded bucked tooth snotty nosed winey step sister!!!! you barners are so caught up with all that Alabama has achieved that you fail to remember that auburn had the same times and opportunities to achive the same goals! But you havent have you.SOB! SOB! So you see ,you cannot talk in this circle of such lofty Goals, because you have not accomplished them and Nobody in the world of college football acknowledges auburn as a top of the class contender neither do we BAMMERS!!! WE ARE THE CONTENDERS YOU ARE THE PRETENDERS!! These are the facts and we are content to live with them!! ROLL TIDE ROLL! SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! thats right, go on home now with your little striped tail tucked between your legs, go to bed, try to sleep and remember to leave the lights and be afraid! be very afraid because the BAMMERMAN is always under your bed in your closet in your head!! And come November your worst nightmare is going to be relived again, BAMA IS BETTER THAN you!! This is your DESTINY this is your Lousy Pathetic Life! ROLL DAMN TIDE!!! 4/EVER
  • richwoodlan
    how classy, you are as big an embarrassment to alabama as charles from reeltown is for us Auburn fans
  • rna
    So, over the last 117 years there have been roughly 472 national championships awarded in football, and Alabama has won 17 of those 472 (3.6%, or under the current BCS system, it would average about one every 30 years). All we want is their obnoxious delusional fans to SHUT UP about it!
  • AUman52
    FINALLY someone spills the TRUTH and stops inflating the Bama Homers' heads even further! I simply laugh each and every time a Bamer crows about their "12" and shake my head at the over inflated ego most of them have. As soon as an Auburn person mentions that if we counted they way Bama counted, we would have 4 or 5, they laugh at us but they don't hesitate to continue to stick to their "12". Good job of spitting out the truth, even though all the Bamers will be in an uproar if they take the time to read this !!!!
  • MadisonU
    12 is the answer. We have 12 National Championships. I didn't read the article.

    Okay, I did, but the the logical and rational argument that 7 Nat'l Championships is a more accurate number created cognitive dissonance, causing my brain to short circuit, and I just started growling out the word "Bear!" over and over again.

    Oddly, though I've lived in Alabama all my life and been a 'Bama fan for twice as long as that (though not a die hard...sports trivia is my worst trivia subject, never could pick it up), I don't really recall a serious conversation about this matter.

    I do have a strange recollection of hearing something about this on the playground in elementary school, but Jeremy Vaughan said it and I shrugged it off because his whole family went to Auburn, so I knew they weren't educated.

    (Edit to say that I used Jeremy and his family for a joke here--The Vaughans are well-educated folks and wonderful people at that)
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